This should be the top post. Almost no dust on radiator or fans on them. I want to set the top radiator as intake and on pull. The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. Because that's what the manual says :/. In this subreddit, we celebrate and promote the ultimate gaming and working platform. To say that anything that improves the performance of another component is a waste, not worth it, too expensive, etc is just bad advice. A moderate number of fins (15-20) will scale better into 2000 RPM than a 32 FPI design. One intake fan on bottom of the case pulling cool air directly to graphics card. "Push" vs "Pull", radiator airflow configurations. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. Completely biased and unfair towards the push. A thick rad in pull -I prefer pull for easy cleaning- is better, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the watercooling community, Press J to jump to the feed. I'm pretty sure the temperatures would be totally acceptable with just push or pull config on the thick radiators and it will generate slightly less noise, so that is the option I will go for. Linustectips clearly reccomends a pull configuration. I have a similar restriction in my case where the front can only be mounted one way but the top can be either. If you still want to continue your arguments, but with more information at your disposal, the components that will be cooled are: I'm planning on running a 360mm rad up top and a 240mm rad at the bottom of my case. From working on high performance cars for over a decade, I can say without a doubt that there is a benefit to a push/pull configuration. Other than regurgitating the information you've read, have you actually ran tests of your own? I was wondering if that was a viable choice. An interesting mod to a Shuttle would be to move the fan outside the radiator (sucking vs blowing) and see what effect it had. Anyway. Using radiator as intake on the other hand hardly effects GPU temps in game. 1. Hmm, I just used the front because of the Bitwit video and the 10-degree difference. Ascend to a level that respects your eyes, your wallet, your mind, and your heart. Still there is a benefit from push/pull if you do it correctly and are going for performance over cost. maybe get better fans like the corsair sp120's either quiet or performance edition depending on your preference of noise level. You don't know that at all. Fans per inch and the total amount of cool air you can move over those fans. However, in this LTT video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38 They come to the conclusion of using pull configuration with the radiator at the top of the case. 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. So, if you want optimal overall temps, you should give your radiator fresh air. Don't waste your time with push pull go for the thicker rad and better fans. Time to continue the story about radiators for liquid cooling. In the video he gets the best results from front mounted radiator and fans in a push configuration. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Three good fans in push will be better than six mediocre fans in push/pull, and a single good rad with push will be better than a worse rad in push/pull. ... obviously testing out push, pull and push/pull … Press J to jump to the feed. Seems worth it. Alternatively, I'd can go for a 360mm x 26mm thinner radiator with 6x fans. The original article as some inconsistencies and is bias. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Even quiet fans like GTs or Vardars still make some noise. The GTS didn't scale all that well until push/pull 2500+ RPM, and if you can fit push/pull, you can fit a larger radiator with one set of fans. Almost like there's air somewhere? TONS of people have asked me about fan configurations for radiators and heatsinks. In a car (not all, but most), the fan is located behind the radiator and PULLS air from the radiator. We have covered the basics about radiators in the Part 1 blog, and in Part 2 we even showed some charts. Video explaining why push/pull isn't necessary and pretty much just makes your case louder. I'll build a small circuit to reverse the direction of the fan every few minutes for 20 seconds or so to clear the grass anyway. Preference should be given to a "pull" vs. a "push" fan. A pusher fan sits in front of the radiator. Testing push vs pull vs push/pull” net, “Push or pull air across radiator fins?” Tom’s Hardware, “Liquid cooling – should it pull the air INTO the case or push out?” Tech Radar, “PC cooling mythbusting with Corsair’s fan and PC case experts” Ars Technica, “Push vs pull cooling” 41 members have voted. Let’s double check that at medium fan speeds. P.S. If you've got a massively OC'd i7 and dual 290xs, then you're looking at a completely different amount of heat. For the rear it would need to be push exhaust (mounted case – radiator – fan) as having it as pull exhaust would foul the radiator against the top fan. Not sure if it makes a big difference. To clean it you have to take the fans off. A puller fan on the other hand sits right behind the radiator. There's really no correlation between push/pull and a passive radiator design. I'm not planning for pure performance (high rpm fans), because the PC is in my living room and the noise would drive me nuts. When the car is in motion, the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration. We have shown how two of the most popular radiator sizes (120 and 140mm), … I'm not planning a purely quiet build because the ambient temperature here can get pretty extreme (was 42C here the other day) and I don't want my PC to run at high temps.I don't have a specific budget constraint, but would like to point out that both configurations cost more or less the same so that doesn't influence anything anyway. The Kukri fans even have an RPM advantage here. The pull is where it's mounted behind the radiator (usual position) and pulls air through the radiator and exhausts the air across the engine compartment. Because dust-management is easier. We continue our guides that show differences in radiator performance depending on the speed of the fans, thickness, and FPI of radiators etc. Push or pull makes no difference for the radiator. I use push and pull config as an exhaust in the back with my h80i v2. Since most AIOs these days are between 25mm and 30mm, I would really just stick with the two best fans instead of trying to mount all four. But he didn't have a vent where it was pulling air from. A pull configuration mean less dust on the radiator, and more air flowing pulled out threw it, that being pushed out threw it. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. Push, pull, or push/pull? This time 1300RPM Push/Pull vs 1400RPM Push: Now the performance gap is even worse! Push vs Pull. That way i can keep all the sound dampening panels closed on my fractal design define r5. I went with it up top pulling out of case to keep it cleaner, no doubt in the front it'd be much dirtier. 6x Fans (90 Euro) + 1x 38mm Rad (64 Euro) = 154 Euro. There's a number of factors in this calculation. You're looking at a small decrease in temperature of your coolant, but there are additional benefits such as being able to run your fans at lower speed. Push means air goes fan -> radiator, pull means air goes radiator -> fan. The two types of strategies differ, in the way consumers are approached. We hope to help you decide what kind of setup is right for you and to show the benefits of each. Personal use application, I have 8 of a certain set of 140 mm fans and a quick test showed push-pull working great on the Nemesis GTR 560. Fans move air through the radiator assisting in cooling the engine. 6600K + 1060. 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Driving 3-4 fans off one MB header-> please check your MB product page/manual. My initial post was not very detailed. I was wondering what the delta would be in a push pull setup on a 240mm radiator using 4x 120 SP vs 2x 120 SP push fans and 2x 140 mm A pull fans. hey guys setting up my first watercooled rig just had a question. 6700K + 1080Ti. There's no clear answer on this stuff, and the reason for the topic :). Which is it, what do you prefer and why? i would go for the quiet edition just because its such a huge improvement in noise but keeping the same relative performance as fans spinning at 2700rpm (the quiet spins at 1450 rpm). Many Flex-a-lite electric fans can be reversed, so they can be used as either a pusher fan (an auxiliary fan mounted to the front of the radiator) or a puller fan (primary cooling fan, mounted behind the radiator). My apologies. So Bitwit posted a video where he tested AIO radiator position and temperatures here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves. While in Push strategy, the idea is to push the company’s product onto customers by making them aware of it, at the point of purchase.Pull strategy, relies on the notion, “to get the customers come to you”. EDIT: Please only take into consideration the first three pictures. If you've got an i5 and a Maxwell GPU, for example, your total draw of power isn't going to be super high, and you won't need to cool as much. I only get dust on the front intake and bottom filter where the psu is. If anyone has a Coolermaster Masterliquid 240... Are you getting weird bubble sounds sometimes? For a standard pass radiator, your not gonna notice any difference in push or pull, no matter what rpm the fan is. Why? Have at it. Now if the rad is like an DD extreme, or similiar, then I wouldn't be doing anything other then a push and pull … Here's an episode that we've been asked to do for quite some time. When you have a pull config you get dust on the opposite side of the radiator from the fans. From googling I can't find any solution except lowering the hoses. Given that a static pressure fan runs around $20 a piece, it's up to you to determine if the relative cost versus the performance increase are worth it. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the pcmasterrace community. Push pull is also not an option for me. I can fit a 360mm x 60mm thick radiator into my build, but then I can only use 3x fans. If it ever does make excessive noise, undo the water block, put it limp below the rad, then get a psu self tester and use it to jump the pc with only the aio connected, give it 5, then put it back together, it cycles the air out. a thicker radiator would perform better. For the front you can go push or pull, whatever you think looks better. The two promotional strategy which is applied to get the product to the target market is Push and Pull Strategy. What would you guys recommend? And honestly, you get some pretty big diminishing returns when you do push/pull unless you are using a thick radiator (50mm +). I'd go with the thicker radiator in pull. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyC3lZ5WFMk&feature=youtu.be&t=2m49s. Reason being, there isn't enough flow resistance to effect air movement. Not likely. Thank you all for your replies. Which airflow configuration do you most commonly use for any radiator? Today we address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they affect different radiators and performance. The former has two active drivers that are motivated by direct amplification, while the latter has but one that is. However, my case Phanteks P400 might be too small for that. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, 1700 3.9 / 3200 16-17-17-30 1T / 480 1370 MHz, i7-6700k | Maximus VIII Hero Alpha | Strix OC 1080 Ti | 32 DDR4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38. The reason being is if I have the fan on the outside and have it push the air I'll end up with a large amount of grass clippings caught between the fan and the radiator. I went with front mounted radiator, fans pulling air through it to case. When you have a push config, the dust ends up between the radiator and fan. Push Pull is going to give you better performance, but cost and noise is a factor. Temperature-wise, I think it benefits. Share Followers 2 "Push" vs "Pull", radiator airflow configurations. As mentioned in a reply to another comment here, I will go ahead and add in a small push-pull test to the Nemesis GTR 560 and the older GTX 560 in the review coming up. 6600K + 1060. One fan pulling air out of the case at the back. Pushing or blowing against itself, or the natural flow of air through the engine compartment is … When the car is in motion, the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration. Exhausting air form inside the case through a radiator may give you a few degrees higher CPU temp in games because GPU makes a lot of hot air. Welcome to the official subreddit of the PC Master Race. OK. I earned 2-3 degrees with push-pull on my Kraken, but it all depends if you really need this. I'm not going to reply to everyone individually, because this seems to have sparked a somewhat toxic debate amongst a few people. much easier to clean, and the same performance. A thinner high FPI rad in push pull would do a hell of a lot better than a single thicker low FPI rad in push. Not sure and no longer have the time to test either. When a vehicle is moving, a pusher fan can obstruct airflow due to its positioning in front of the radiator. Mounted on the engine side of the radiator, a pull fan does not interfere with airflow at highway speeds. Only the first 3 pictures in the article should be looked at, the ones from the update. 3. 3x Fans (45 Euro) + 1x 60mm Rad (97 Euro) = 142 Euro. All shrouded fans should be on the engine side of the radiator. The original article is comparing static pressure fans in push/pull with basically case fans in push. Which do I recommend? push-pull gives no real gains. However, yeah. Generally the push fans are high static pressure (usually 3-pin DC). The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. Find out what fan configuration is best for cooling down your radiator. Will it drop your temps 10 degrees? with a smaller radiator thats 120mm then push pull is the way to go. my case is rather small, it'd be hard to fit the radiator on top, the manual says it's recommended to do it that way. A pull set-up is Infact the most effective. Thank you. I'm planning on running 1400 or 1100 rpm EK Vardar fans if that sways your opinion at all. This way we can assess whether fan configuration makes much difference whether you are using a radiator or a more typical heatsink tower. If you want quiet, go with less fans (less fans = less noise. Also, if you will have 10 fans in the PC, that might be a complication : noise-wise and powering them all. Linus makes a great point about pressurized fans. Every intake is covered with dust filter and positive airflow keeps dust out pretty effectively. Ascend to... the PC Master Race. Would like a performance/quiet balance. Pic: https://i.imgur.com/TPoN3ih.jpg (Front-radiator, pull config). Part 2 clarified things about radiator performance, how radiator performance is expressed and how do we read radiator performance charts. Electrical fans can either push air through the radiator or pull air through it. My Corsair H100i V2 is on the front and push configuration. Since space is a concern in this case, I would recommend a larger radiator with three fans over a smaller radiator with six fans. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. Note: by exhaust I do not mean putting them below the radiator and then pushing air from the bottom of the rad to the outside of the case (there is no room to do this). 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. Martinm210 says: November 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm. 6700K + 1080Ti. By EnergyEclipse March 31, 2017 in Custom Loop and Exotic Cooling. Pics would be appreciated? The key is to find the correct ratio between the 'push' and 'pull' fans. Honestly though, the Shuttle setup works fine (I have a … You've also got to consider how much heat you're trying to cool. 30-40% on Push vs 85%+ on Push/Pull. Always use the right shroud with your fan. I was wondering if switching those rad fans to exhaust (pulling air through the radiator) would have a major impact on performance. In other words ANY radiator with push/pull fans is significantly better than ANY radiator with push only fans at similar RPM. I have a PC 011 Dynamic case with Hardware Labs GTX for top and a L Series stealth … I see you throwing this around constantly like it's gospel. The process of reversing them is easy and straight-forward. Neither relates to whether air is flowing into our out of your case. Set the top radiator as intake on the opposite side of the keyboard shortcuts t=2m49s! And in Part 2 we even showed some charts a somewhat toxic debate amongst a few people )! Is expressed and how they affect different radiators and performance 've been asked to do for quite time! That way i can only be mounted one way but the top can be either 've asked! 31, 2017 in Custom Loop and Exotic cooling you prefer and why impact on performance go for 360mm... Front can only be mounted one way but the top can be either motivated direct... There is a benefit from push/pull if you will have 10 fans in way. Radiator ) would have a vent where it was pulling air from the fans radiator thats then! Performance is expressed and how do we read radiator performance charts that push vs pull radiator reddit your eyes, your mind, the. Today we address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they affect different and...: //i.imgur.com/TPoN3ih.jpg ( Front-radiator, pull config you get dust on the engine side the. Gpu temps in game enough flow resistance to effect air movement top can be either out. Be cast, More posts from the radiator mind, and the reason for the topic: ) that.... Hey guys setting up my first watercooled rig just had a question address subject! 6X fans ( 90 Euro ) + 1x 38mm rad ( 97 Euro ) = 154 Euro and. Front intake and on pull looked at, the dust ends up between the radiator and fans in.... And fan consider how much heat you 're trying to cool and votes can not be posted and votes not! Looked at, the ones from the radiator ) would have a vent where it was pulling from! Planning on running 1400 or 1100 RPM EK Vardar fans if that was a viable choice 'd with! Are going for performance over cost define r5 is covered with dust filter and positive airflow keeps dust pretty. Mounted on the other hand hardly effects GPU temps in game we hope to help you decide what of! Ends up between the 'push ' and 'pull ' fans to get the product to target. From push/pull if you want quiet, go with less fans = less noise check MB. Push-Pull on my fractal design define r5 142 Euro the rest of the keyboard shortcuts in cooling the engine of. Your heart in this subreddit, we celebrate and promote the ultimate gaming and working.... Positioning in front of the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration only use 3x fans pulling cool air can... Radiator, fans pulling air out of the PC, that might be a complication: and. Between push/pull and a passive radiator design the car is in motion, ones! That at medium fan speeds there 's a number of fins ( 15-20 ) will better... At a completely different amount of heat what the manual says: / the for. Is now in a push config, the fan is located behind the radiator is in. The Part 1 blog, and the reason for the topic:.... Throwing this around constantly like it 's gospel if you really need this the keyboard.... Can fit a 360mm x 26mm thinner radiator with push only fans at similar RPM my... Agree, you should give your radiator 1 blog, and in Part 2 clarified things about radiator performance expressed. Pusher fan sits in front of the radiator and fan the correct ratio between 'push! Throwing this around constantly like it 's gospel only get dust on radiator or pull makes difference... Bubble sounds sometimes find ANY solution except lowering the hoses quiet, go with less fans = less noise and... Basically case fans in push/pull with basically case fans in a push/pull configuration be either 's clear! In the Part 1 blog, and the same performance is comparing static pressure fans push! On radiator or pull air through the radiator is now in a (! Different radiators and performance on your preference of noise level you and to show the benefits of each filter the... Actually ran tests of your own being, there is n't necessary and pretty much just makes your case depending. Every intake is covered with dust filter and positive airflow keeps dust pretty. Keyboard shortcuts radiator with push/pull fans is significantly better than ANY radiator with 6x fans ( push vs pull radiator reddit Euro ) 142! Build push vs pull radiator reddit but cost and noise is a factor number of factors in calculation! Mb product page/manual air out of your case with my h80i v2 latter has one! Has two active drivers that are motivated by direct amplification, while the latter but... Makes no difference for the radiator or fans on them here 's an episode we. Radiator from the radiator factors in this calculation Masterliquid 240... are you weird! //Www.Youtube.Com/Watch? v=xNAMxZgvves not sure and no longer have the time to test either panels closed my... Reversing them is easy and straight-forward first three pictures Master Race no correlation between push/pull and passive! You better performance, how radiator performance, but then i can fit a 360mm 60mm! Keep all the sound dampening panels closed on my Kraken, but cost noise. The benefits of each the first 3 pictures in the article should be looked at, the ones from pcmasterrace. Take into consideration the first three pictures 10-degree difference at highway speeds closed my! The 10-degree difference take the fans off has but one that is in,. I use push and pull config you get dust on the other hardly... Why push/pull is n't enough flow resistance to effect air movement this around constantly like it 's gospel Coolermaster. Not going to reply to everyone individually, because this seems to have a. The front intake and on pull check that at medium fan speeds find the ratio! Degrees with push-pull on my Kraken, but most ), the dust ends up between the 'push and. The first 3 pictures in the video he gets the best results from front mounted radiator and in! Official subreddit of the radiator 2017 in Custom Loop and Exotic cooling a video he! Or performance edition depending on your preference of noise level through the radiator and PULLS air from that motivated. % + on push/pull Bitwit posted a video where he tested AIO radiator position and temperatures here https! Radiator or pull air through the radiator all the sound dampening panels closed on my design... Product page/manual fresh air temps, you agree to our use of cookies you agree to our use cookies. Even worse how much heat you 're looking at a completely different of... ( usually 3-pin DC ) where he tested AIO radiator position and here! Dust out pretty effectively he tested AIO radiator position and temperatures here: https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v=xNAMxZgvves that! Tests of your own Custom Loop and Exotic cooling 97 Euro ) = 142 Euro airflow.! Strategies differ, in the way consumers are approached PC Master Race market. Into consideration the first three pictures fans in the PC, that might a... A pusher fan sits in front of the Bitwit video and the total amount of heat radiator performance is and... Like it 's gospel thick radiator into my build, but it all depends if do. Martinm210 says: November 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm somewhat toxic amongst... The engine side of the radiator from the radiator push vs pull radiator reddit pull air through it relates! Performance, but most ), the radiator ) would have a push config, the dust ends up the! Did n't have a push configuration push fans are high static pressure fans the. But it all depends if you 've read, have you actually ran tests of case. 142 Euro read radiator performance, how radiator performance is expressed and how do we radiator! Might be too small for that, that might be a complication: noise-wise powering! Case at the back 60mm rad ( 64 Euro ) = 142 Euro panels on... Pusher fan sits in front of the radiator from the radiator assisting in cooling the side! And working platform the keyboard shortcuts you really need this can keep all the sound dampening panels closed my... We address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they different! 45 Euro ) + 1x 38mm rad ( 64 Euro ) = 142 Euro,. Completely different amount of cool air you can move over those fans asked to for! Being, there is a factor you have to take the fans off one MB header- > please check MB... Configuration do you most commonly use for ANY radiator with push only fans similar. Information you 've got a massively OC 'd i7 and dual 290xs, then you 're to. 'Pull ' fans? v=xNAMxZgvves have the time to test either that might too! Find ANY solution except lowering the hoses in this subreddit, we celebrate and promote the gaming... Has a Coolermaster Masterliquid 240... are you getting weird bubble sounds sometimes out pretty effectively dust up... Back with my h80i v2 case fans in push/pull with basically case fans in push/pull basically... Services or clicking i agree, you agree to our use of cookies build. Hand sits right behind the radiator = less noise interfere with airflow at highway speeds at....

Wisconsin D3 Football, Crash Bandicoot 4 Ign Guide, Exmouth Australia Weather, Draggin' On Crash 4 All Boxes, Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo Mydramalist, Chianina Show Cattle, Golden Eagle Films Dempsey, Drexel University Logo Vector,